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31. Number 29, please don't speak for all Caribbean/black people. You make it sound as if we're all ignorant fools. We're all not that way. I am disappointed and disgusted by the homophobia in Jamaican society. It has nothing to do with religion or good morals; although, many Jamaicans/Caribbean ppl will say it does. The fact of the matter is that Jamaica and the Caribbean have serious problems with violence, sexism(see violence against women stats), homophobia, etc. If they(Djs and the ignorant homophobes) think hating gays make them more decent and good, then they're really ignorant. Most of them(Djs and homophobes) are low in morality and decency. They might have problems with gays, but none of them would think twice about rape, sleeping with children, beating women, promiscuity, or violently attacking someone(things that are common practice in the Caribbean). They need to get their priorities straight. They need to develop consciences and learn respect and the value of the human life---including a gay one. I'm glad they were banned. They can spew their hatred in Jamaica, but not in foreign countries.

Posted at 8:14PM on Sep 30th 2007 by My words

32. Who are these ugly people? Never heard of them.

Posted at 8:55PM on Sep 30th 2007 by carol

33. See this is what Americans don`t seem to understand, if freedom of speech is so important so then why when Imus called the ruttger bb team a bunch of hoes...everyoone started to criticized him until he was pulled off the air? Wasn't that his freedom of speech being violated? How about when a rapper performs live on TV and all you hear is bleep bleep bleep coz the FCC censors him or her..isn't that violating their freedom of speech? and I could give thousand of examples about how freedom of speach in American is violated constanly.......so people...there are problems of freedom of speech in America as well......

Posted at 10:30PM on Sep 30th 2007 by MMVII

34. What's the deal about gay's anyway, who cares I'm an openly gay female rapper, and to be honest the gay bashing and slurs don't really bother me to much. I mean this dude is probably mad his chick love's my music. Check me out @ www.ShayCasiano.tk
www.myspace.com/assassinsentertainement
I promise you, his girlfriend is one of those beautiful young ladies tipping me. See for yourself..........11/25/07 The Movement will be televised.

Posted at 11:42PM on Sep 30th 2007 by Shay Casiano

35. I think Canada sets a good example for us Americans in that anti-gay and racist lyrics are banned. Freedom of Speech is VERY important, but there is nothing to be gained from 'hate propaganda'. And as for their stance against guns, did you know Canada has more guns per population than us? They're just strict on hand guns, which makes sense as those guns are produced to kill, and who needs that?

Posted at 1:18AM on Oct 1st 2007 by Lydia

36. Kool Haus ROCKS, good for them for standing up! That was always the BEST venue. Sigh. I miss TO!!!

Posted at 8:19AM on Oct 1st 2007 by PinkysGotNoBrains

37. some posters are showing their own biases by their posts...

my husband owns 3 guns... all legal, oh my! in canada, most guns are owned for hunting purposes, there goes that myth about canucks and guns eh?

Canada is a Democractic Monarchy and Socialist... , yes we have the vote, we still have a Queen, and yes we have universal health care. sorry we do care about our people.. it's not perfect, but it's there. we are also..*gasps* a multicultural (sp) country.

we don't have the FCC, our shows aren't "bleeped", nudity isn't edited out... and yes we have freedom of speech, with what i think are reasonable limits.

Canada may not be pro war, but we do fight, our people do die overseas. we have been involved in the conflicts like some other countries, and just as long.

just a little FYI for those who choose to disbarrage a country without the proper information.. a little education never hurts anyone now does it?

Posted at 9:05AM on Oct 1st 2007 by Ceyllynn

38. Did you alter those pics? No one looks like that....i hope.

Posted at 7:14PM on Oct 1st 2007 by MichelleH

39. Carribean culture is the most gay-hating on the planet, outside of the muslims. They regularly beat gay men to death in Jamaica and do all sorts of other horrible things to so-called batty-boys that would appall all the readers of TMZ. This behavior goes beyond homo-phobia into torture and persecution on a level that Americans and Canadians would not understand. These guys represent that type of West Indian machismo. They don't treat women much better. Its just a brutal culture, not seen by tourists who stay at resorts and drink from coconuts.

Posted at 11:06AM on Oct 1st 2007 by Baby Shamble

40. sorry folks but I agree "Boom bye bye in a batty bwoy head!"

Posted at 12:25PM on Oct 1st 2007 by Setting the Records Straight

41. #38 I am a Proud Jamaican, let me set you straight on something...........not "ALL JAMAICAN'S" beat gays and treat their women as you stated.........My brothers are all Jamaican, and beleive me when i say they couldn't care less about gays, and they love and treat their wifes with the utmost respect, because that's how they were raised..............IF YU NO KNOW WEH YU A CHAT SEY SHUT...........DI BLOODCLOTH UP!!!!!!!!

Posted at 1:22PM on Oct 1st 2007 by sshanty

42. sshanty, no one included your family members in this discussion and as for the bloodclot comments, I don't know what to say as you don't speak english.

The fact is homosexual acts are ILLEGAL in Jamaica, and gays are advised NOT to travel there. This is often the basis for those seeking asylum in countries that will protect their rights. The sad truth is that if you look beyond the rasta propaganda and the tourism propaganda, you will find that Jamaic is a violent place all round, so much so that Amnesty International crusades against the violence.

Buju Banton and his open incitement of the murder of gays is possibly the most well-known example of West Indian homophobia, but it is one that the music industry either ignores or tries to smooth over:

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/music/rbjaho-93.php

Africanist Abomination: Homophobia as a Business

Anyone who believes the West Indian homophobia Peter Noel and Robert Marriott described in last week's Voice is a strictly "underclass" or "rude boy" affair should have been at the Reggae Music as a Business conference in Kingston on November 2 and 3. Sponsored by Jamaica's Eagle Bank, the conference sought to establish proper indigenous capitalization on the base of the dancehall boom, with the input of American experts in such matters as management, marketing, copyright law, and artist development crucial. One of the speakers was Dr. Carolyn Cooper, a senior lecturer at the University of the West Indies who has made an academic specialty of dancehall lyrics. Her paper addressed the Stateside controversy over Buju Banton's "Boom Bye Bye" with an argument from cultural difference. What New Yorkers might see as DJs' homophobia, she contended, could just as well be understood as an Africanist affirmation of complementary opposites: earth and sky, male and female. Still, she acknowledged, Jamaicans would have to be realistic about commercial viability. She suggested that for international consumption Banton, rather than endorsing the murder of gays, merely declare "`pretty' complexions" and anal sex an "abomination."

By all reports, Cooper's speech was the most enthusiastically received of the conference. A room full of 300 lawyers, bankers, and music businesspeople greeted references to "buttocks" and a Jamaican proverb that goes "Two pot cover can't shut" by whistling and banging on tables and gave the professor a standing ovation when she concluded with her rewrite of "Boom Bye Bye." According to Payday Records' Patrick Moxey, the Americans stood around afterwards saying, "Jeez, these people are pretty out there," but saw no way to convey their reaction to their hosts. "I don't agree with her views," Moxey told us, "but I think she was right about what she was saying about Jamaica--that everyone is completely homophobic."

"There must be people who deliver speeches about hatred against blacks or any other group who are just as slick," commented Jive Records' Sophia Chang, who was also dismayed by how avidly the women at the conference seemed to support homophobic sexism. "She was so well-spoken and so articulate. What really scared me was how much she believed in it as part of her culture."

Posted at 2:23PM on Oct 1st 2007 by Baby Shamble

43. #38 It is amazing that someone who has no real knowledge of jamaican culture would come here to write the nonsense you have. First of all, this argument about gays being beaten to death in Jamaica is a fallacy introduced prematurely by gay groups whenever someone who is either known to be gay or suspected to be gay is killed. In all cases at least over the last 5 years, those cases were found to have been lovers quarrels or some other type of domestic dispute and has nothing to do with gay bashing. As to the allegations about persecutions and torture I defy anyone to present hardcore evidence to substantiate that claim. Sure, Jamaica have some poverty stricken persons who in their quest for a better life will posit any reason they think will advance their cause to obtain a foreign visa. Most of them have gone primarily to the UK with this notion that they are being persecuted because they are gays, however in not one single occasion has there been any credible evidence to substantiate these claims. So all I can respectfully ask is that those who do not possess the requisite information about Jamaica kindly do some research before seeking to spread falsehoods about our country. We are conscious that we have problems as does every other country around the world but at least we don't seek to sentence 12 year old children to lengthy prison sentences as adults, sentence teenagers to prison for having oral sex and try to sentence people to prison for 20 years in a schoolyard brawl.

Posted at 2:48PM on Oct 1st 2007 by Get your facts straight

44. #41 You try to use a paper written 14 years ago by someone who is known to delve into controversial topics to excite debate as evidence that all Jamaicans are homophobic? That is just plain dishonesty. Also I am sure the Jamaican coomunity woould love to know on which ocassion anyone has been able to get 300 lawyers and bankers into any music conference in Jamaica. Gays sympathizers have a habit of seeking to grossly exaggerate issues to prove some argument they are trying to advance, which ultimately hurts their clause. Just for the record "buggery" is against the law. Homosexuality is not illegal in Jamaica and in fact gays in Jamaica have their own lobby group; there are also gay clubs etc. You may have a problem with these Jamaican entertainers, just as I do with some of the US rappers and their vulgarity but that does not give anyone the right to malign an entire country on the basis of our subjective biases

Posted at 3:02PM on Oct 1st 2007 by Ignorance is blissful to some

45. if you dont like the music then dont listen. I didnt even know there where coming to my area to perform and that made me want to go.

and what does there image have to do with anything.
discrimination is the point there trying to get across. making comments about there looks, clothing style and life style in general takes away from what the point is. what does them being from Jamaica have anything to do with how they chose to dress themselves? Where was the point in that.

Posted at 10:19PM on Oct 1st 2007 by kayla